Sighhh ... Jewish Inability to Escape Victimhood Persists

Lee Rosenberg, (aka the him) has recently corresponded with me claiming I have been wrong in my assertions that the Jewish Federation Murder was the act of a Muslim, done out of conviction that Jews are bad, and that this beleif in the Muslim community Is put forward by Muslim schools in the US. NOTE: Lee has complained that this misrepresents what he has said, for the record this his his reply:

• This is a lie. What I said was that you asserted that Haq himself was taught to hate Jews. You changed this to say that I was challenging the idea that, in general, Muslims in this country are taught to hate Jews. Not the same thing.

Leaving all else aside, Lee says that I asserted Haq had been taught to hate Jews. While it has been awhile since I wrote those comments, I would still say this and I think the evidence is rather clear. Moreover, the Muslim community in the US is itself trying to deal with this issue.

wGiven Jewish history, When a young Muslim plans a mass murder of Jews, of course we should worry about what he has been taught. When more than one American Muslim does this, we need to worry more. When we read the Freedom House report of the distribution of Wahabist materials to Wahabi funded mosques and the Muislim on Jewish violonece in Europe, the level of concern of all Americans should be increased.

Anyhow, if Lee can figure out what he wants to say he is always welcome to post here or raise the issue over at HA if he likes.


So lets get a few facts. First, I already posted the Freedom House study a long time ago. When Mr. Haq was a chld, islamic hate groups were the major fund source of new Islamic centers and mosques and careful studies by FH, hardly a Jewish organization by the way, provided many examples of this.

Obviously I do not know to what extent his childhood education was the seed of Haq's later actions, but denying the problem of hate teaching in Muslim schools in that era is .. well hard to explain. Where else does Lee think Mr. Haq got the training that led to his plan to assassinate a bunch of Jews?

Lee's reasons for not wanting to see Mr. Haq as a biggot go beyond the issue of how he became one. In out long ago debate, Lee had pushed the idea that Islam could not be blamed because Mr. Haq had converted to some Chriustian sect. Obviousty, Mr. Haq has less knowledge than Mr. Rosenberg of what religious training motivated the murder:

FOXNews.com - Officials: Seattle Shooting Suspect Ambushed 13-Year-Old - Crime | Murder | Illegal Drugs | Missing Kids | Illegal Aliens: "Haq, a Muslim, told authorities he was angered by the war in Iraq and U.S. military cooperation with Israel.

'He pointedly blamed the Jewish people for all of these problems,' Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske said at a news conference Saturday.

According to a statement of probable cause, Haq told a 911 dispatcher: 'These are Jews and I'm tired of getting pushed around and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East.'"

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Police and the FBI are labeling the shootings a hate crime.

Haq entered the King County courtroom on Saturday wearing handcuffs, chains and leg shackles, and a white jail jumpsuit that labeled him an "ultra security inmate."

'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel': "'He said, 'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,' before opening fire on everyone,' said Marla Meislin-Dietrich, a database coordinator for the center. 'He was randomly shooting at everyone.'"

The Official Jewish Defense League Blog - Muslim Terrorism is Only Mental Illness: "Muslim Terrorism is Only Mental Illness

Thursday, May 29 2008 @ 12:53 CDT
Contributed by: Shelley Rubin
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JDL Daily PostsJustice may not be served in the case of the filthy murderer of a Jewish woman in a premeditated attack at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle almost two years ago. According to published reports, the jury is deadlocked in its deliberations in the trial of Naveed Afzal Haq, who took a teenager hostage and entered the Jewish community building on July 28, 2006, where he murdered Pamela Waechter, 58, and seriously wounded five other Jews.

It evidently doesn't matter to jurors that Haq, who was 30 at the time of the terrorist attack, carefully planned out his actions for days. Proof was presented by the prosecution that Haq had conducted Internet searches for Jewish organizations in the Seattle area. He also purchased firearms specifically for the attack, waited the 10 days for a background check and coolly picked them up.

Even though Haq previously pleaded guilty, attorneys got the court to accept a new plea of 'not guilty by reason of insanity.' If he is convicted of aggravated murder in Waechter's death, Haq would be given an automatic life sentence. But it doesn't look like the jury is going to convict him of murder. The"