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Pope Benedict on Thursday told Jewish leaders that he is "seriously considering" freezing the sainthood process of his Nazi-era predecessor Pius XII until historical archives can be opened, a Jewish leader said. Some Jews have accused Pius, who reigned from 1939 to 1958, of turning a blind eye to the Holocaust. The Vatican says he worked behind the scenes and helped save many Jews from certain death during World War Two. Rabbi David Rosen, a leader of a Jewish delegation which met the pope on Thursday morning, said the subject came up in conversations after formal speeches were delivered.
The Vatican, however, has so far rejected Jewish groups' requests for the immediate opening of its secret archives on Pius XII's papacy. It says it will take at least six more years before scholars can consult the archives, which historians and Jewish groups have been clamoring to study. Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi said the requests to see the wartime archives were understandable. But he said Thursday that cataloguing some 16 million documents is expected to take another six or seven years. Beatification is the last step before sainthood in the Roman Catholic Church. Some Jews have asked the pope to hold off on beatifying Pius until more information on his papacy can be studied. | |||
14 comments:
check this out
http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:32c609e497ff10c8fd2691b61bbae8dc:ccba02a439d34ba5f6137cbc7a3624e8?usc=1
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the post or does it?
As for yout link to a na Fox news piece that featured a well known antisemite attacking Obama .. what can one say about such sick, evil people?
If Jews are dictating to the Roman Catholic church about who they can and cannot ordain as a saint, can Christians now dictate to Jews, and forbid them from ordaining Obama as the Messiah, especially since everywhere you turn you see some disgusting anti-semite and/or terrorist and/or assorted scumbag friends and allies of the Obamassiah?
- Ayers [dedicated book to Sirhan Sirhan, on record planning to kill 10% of Americans, trying to out-do hitler]
- Rashid Khalidi
- Khalid Mansour
- Farakhan
etc ad nauseum
Why do Jews support Jew-Haters so much?
http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/why-do-jews-keep-supporting-jew-haters/
“Vote for Obama ’cause some of his best friends are Jews!”
http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/vote-for-obama-cause-some-of-his-best-friends-are-jews/
Brian
Sad. You would side with the Christians who want us condemned to die for their god?
Huh?
What?
Would do what?
Huh?
Are you hallucinating?
Is this what's called "playing the god card"?
What on Earth are you blabbering about!?
I am not hallucinating. The far right christians who support us, are committed to their deity wiping us out as well.
Well, while that is a bizarre thing to say, it has nothing to do with the subject of the post here.
The Roman Catholic Church is not "the Christian Far Right" [In fact, "Christian Far Right" is an oxymoron, since Jesus Christ is neither left or right]
The point of the article is on certain Jewish people attempting to judge who is and who is not a Christian saint. Besides the fact that only a Christian can determine who is to be RECOGNIZED as a Christian saint, it is also a fact that each and every Christian is de facto a saint, but I doubt that's something the Rabbi in question is aware of or even cares about. The Church in this case is merely trying to determine whether or not Pius should be especially named in liturgical services.
As far as the Roman church is concerned, each and every communicant is already a saint. Do you understand. Therefore these Jewish people are trying to dictate who the Church is to accept as a communicant.
It just seemed to me that Jews might be better off questioning who it is that they themselves "believe in" and hold up as a model. I'm not talking about who is "far left" or "far right" -- couldn't care less -- or in slandering great swaths of the populace. I mentioned an individual -- Obama -- who, has apparently, the support of the majority of AmericanJews, and other INDIIDUALS who are around him, his allies, his friends, his "mentors" who are driven mad with Jew-Hatred. It seemed something they might be more concerned about than the canonization process of the RCs.
As for Pius, I see no problem with the RCs ordaining him as a saint, if that's how they feel. It's a well-established political fact that when he spoke out against the Nazi's many Catholics suffered, so if he decided that subversion would be more effective than increasing his already vocal opposition, who am I to condemn him for trying his best to deal with a very difficult situation.
At least 3,000 Roman Catholic clergy were inmates of Dachau alone. Why do you think they had a Priest Block?
This Rabbi mentioned in the article is either very ignorant or some sort of holier-than-thou self-righteous megalomaniac. Obviously I am lacking in the patience and Christian charity that the Roman Clergy are displaying towards him.
Akira .. you not I diverted the post to President Obama. I merely responded.
My point was that Jewish people might be more concerned with their own "ordinations", but you obviously disagree.
I understand. After all, why engage in self-reflection? It's not fun. Not easy.
Have fun with your President Obama and his rabid crew of anti-semites and terrorist supporters.
As for the rest of your post, the history of the RCC sanctifying antisemites is hardly new, Indeed the Christian bible as assembled by the Roman state, is itself a blatantly antisemitic and inaccurate document. Given the millenia of RCC persecution of Jews, it seems at least appropriate to ask whether Hochruth's view of Pious was correct.
My own opinion is that Pious was as guilty of antisemitism as most of the other complainant people of Europe who allowed this to happen.
As for your views of Yashka (Jesus' likely real name), I would be happy to debate that entire issue with you if you want. My thesis is that he is a creature of the fourth century church built onj a combination of one person who led a minor pharissaic sect and the wide spread messainism of the Jews as described by Tacitus.
Part of te problkme, it seems to me is that Christian religion is based on a self vetted collection of rumors about whatever happened and whoever lived in Jerusalem before the Jewish wars.
The telling factor, as opposed to the role the Torah plays in Judaism or the Quran in Islam, is that nowhere in your bible does the living Jesus (as opposed to Paul's hallucinations) make any claim to anew, literal, divine text as a revelation.
Ok, now I see where the problem lies.
Your God-given brain has somehow been turned to mush.
To be uneducated is just unfortunate ignorance. To wallow in your ignorance is a tragedy.
I hope it's not too late and you're not too arrogant to be properly enlightened, but I fear the worst.
Anyway, God bless you, and I hope you get the help you need.
Akira ..
If bty ordination oyu mean sanctification, there is no Jewish equivalent, We are just people. We do recognize learning and confer what is called smercha on those who are learned in the Torah, However, unlike poples and such, these people have no special powers.
With all due respect, no I am not ignorant. I am very well read, in both politics and history of religion.
Just for fun, try and find the text where God says the writings you claim to be divine are revealed text.
As for seeking introspection, my own inner thoughts make an effort to emulate Siddartha and Spinoza.
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