Tuesday, September 30, 2008

BBC NEWS | South Asia | India's conversions controversy

India's conversions controversy

Anti-Christian riots have rocked several parts of India over the past month. The BBC's Soutik Biswas travels to a remote region in the eastern Orissa state, where it all began, to explore the touchy issue of religious conversions.

A church attacked in Orissa's Kandhamal district
Churches have been attacked in Orissa

Sixty-year-old Indian farmer Kanduri Digal says he converted to Christianity a decade ago because he found "it a very useful religion".

For most of his life, Digal languished at the bottom of India's caste pyramid as a Hindu untouchable. But he doesn't say he escaped Hinduism because the caste system gave him a raw deal.

Instead, he says, Christianity offered him a road to redemption.

"When I was a Hindu I was stealing, doing bad to others. I have become a better man after I converted. Salvation is ensured in Christianity," he says.

Forty-year-old government peon Ashok Kumar Behera, who converted to Christianity 18 years ago, says he changed faith to get some "peace of life and salvation".

"The Bible says when we die we go to heaven. The holy book also lays down the instructions about life in detail, unlike Hindu scriptures," he says.

However, Digal and Behera have now discovered that in the Kandhamal district of Orissa state where they live their leap of faith has a darker side to it.

They are among the over 13,000 Hindu untouchables-turned-Christian converts who continue to live in 11 camps in the district a month after a wave of anti-Christian violence convulsed the area. Most have fled their homes which were looted and torched by mobs shouting pro-Hindu slogans.

At the root of the confrontation is an age-old rivalry between the majority local Hindu-tribes people and the converted Christians over land, affirmative action benefits and identity rights.

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Orissa has a long and chequered history of Christian proselytising.

Protests against attacks on Christians in Orissa
There have been countrywide protests against the attacks

On the one hand, large numbers of untouchables and tribes people have converted to escape poverty and deprivation.

It is a moot point whether that has worked: nearly 80% of the people in Kandhamal, for example, continue to live under the poverty line, according to official records.

At the same time, Christian zealots have sometimes operated with impunity: a state pastors gathering in November 1996 openly made a call to "win Orissa for Christ by 2000". And, in 1993, the police booked 21 pastors in Nowrangpur district for carrying out "induced" conversions, invoking the conversion law.

It is another matter, as some analysts argue, whether the state should get in the way of personal faith and keep tabs on and demand explanation from a person who is changing faith.

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Monday, September 29, 2008

Science News / Obama's Brain Trust


Science News / Obama's Brain Trust: "Obama's brain trust
By Janet Raloff
Web edition : Friday, September 26th, 2008

Albert H. Teich , director of Science & Policy Programs at the American Association for the Advancement of Science observed (last month), “You don’t have any really identifiable science people associated with McCain’s campaign, whereas there are quite a few people on the Obama side.” Indeed, he said, “You could say that there is a brain trust of scientists” linked to the Democratic candidate.

Yesterday, Obama’s campaign released “an open letter to the American people” signed by 61 Nobel laureates. All received their award for achievements in physics (22), chemistry (14) or medicine (25).

In their letter, they argue that during the past eight years, “vital parts of our country’s scientific enterprise have been damaged by stagnant or declining federal support. The government’s scientific advisory process has been distorted by political considerations."


Alexei Abrikosov Physics 2003 Roger Guillemin Medicine 1977
Peter Agre Chemistry 2003 John L. Hall Physics 2005
Sidney Altman Chemistry 1989 Leland H. Hartwell Medicine 2001
Philip W. Anderson Physics 1977 Dudley Herschbach Chemistry 1986
Richard Axel Medicine 2004 Roald Hoffmann Chemistry 1981
David Baltimore Medicine 1975 H. Robert Horvitz Medicine 2002
Baruj Benacerraf Medicine 1980 Louis Ignarro Medicine 1998
Paul Berg Chemistry 1980 Eric R. Kandel Medicine 2000
J. Michael Bishop Medicine 1989 Walter Kohn Chemistry 1998
N. Bloembergen Physics 1981 Roger Kornberg Chemistry 2006
Michael S. Brown Medicine 1985 Leon M. Lederman Physics 1988
Linda B. Buck Medicine 2004 Craig C. Mello Medicine 2006
Mario R. Capecchi Medicine 2007 Marshall Nirenberg Medicine 1968
Stanley Cohen Medicine 1986 Douglas D. Osheroff Physics 1996
Leon Cooper Physics 1972 Stanley B. Prusiner Medicine 1997
James W. Cronin Physics 1980 Norman F. Ramsey Physics 1989
Robert F. Curl Chemistry 1996 Robert Richardson Physics 1996
Johann Diesenhofer Chemistry 1988 Burton Richter Physics 1976
John B. Fenn Chemistry 2002 Sherwood Rowland Chemistry 1995
Edmond H. Fischer Medicine 1992 Oliver Smithies Medicine 2007
Val Fitch Physics 1980 Richard R Schrock Chemistry 2005
Jerome I. Friedman Physics 1990 Joseph H. Taylor Jr. Physics 1993
Riccardo Giacconi Physics 2002 E. Donnall Thomas Medicine 1990
Walter Gilbert Chemistry 1980 Charles H. Townes Physics 1964
Alfred G. Gilman Medicine 1994 Daniel C.Tsui Physics 1998
Donald A. Glaser Physics 1960 Harold Varmus Medicine 1989
Sheldon L. Glashow Physics 1979 James D. Watson Medicine 1962
Joseph Goldstein Medicine 1985 Eric Wieschaus Medicine 1995
Paul Greengard Medicine 2000 Frank Wilczek Physics 2004
David Gross Physics 2004 Robert W. Wilson Physics 1978
Robert H. Grubbs Chemistry 2005

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Rain in Virginia


Obama campaigns in Virginia.....

US elections: Barack Obama's team believes he can win by a landslide


Olmert: We must leave most of W. Bank

PM to 'Yediot Aharonot': For decades he "was not prepared to look at reality in all of its depth."

Bibi: I'll resume settlement activity

Opposition leader tells Walla! there is no reason to stifle growth of existing Jewish neighborhoods.

Flag raised over LA's Israeli consulate

Israeli consulate offices around the world generally don't fly Israeli flag openly for fear of violence.

Apple tumbles on consumer spending concerns

BOSTON, Sep. 29, 2008 (Reuters) — Apple Inc shares tumbled 16 percent on Monday, their biggest drop in seven years, amid concerns the maker of Mac computers and other consumer electronics will suffer as the economy slows.

Austrian far right makes big gains


Austria's Social Democrats (SPO) have won the country's parliamentary elections, but far right parties have surged to take almost a third of the vote, complicating prospects for the SPO to forge a stable coalition government.

Heinz-Christian Strache's far right Freedom Party (FPO) took 18 per cent, compared with 11 per cent two years ago, and Joerg Haider's right-wing populist Alliance for Austria's Future (BZO) took 11 per cent, almost tripling its vote from



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Sunday, September 28, 2008

SpaceX: SpaceX Falcon 1 Finally Gets Into Orbit, Makes History


SpaceX: SpaceX Falcon 1 Finally Gets Into Orbit, Makes History:

SpaceX Falcon 1 Finally Gets Into Orbit, Makes History


Is there a message here? Private company os putting things into orbit while Sarah is protecting us from the bear!
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Sound Politics: Comment on SeattleJew

Sound Politics: Comment on Saturday Night Live's In-Kind Contributions to Obama: "18. SeattlePharisee @14:

'You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.'
John 8:44

'He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.' John 8:47

'Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Israelites and are not, but lie -- indeed I will make them come and worship at your feet, and to know that I have loved you.' Rev. 3:9

Go get your kneepads, untermensch.
Posted by The Pirate at September 28, 2008 09:29 AM"


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Brazil's Lula calls US bailout plan unfair to poor - Yahoo! Malaysia News

Brazil's Lula calls US bailout plan unfair to poor - Yahoo! Malaysia News: "Reuters - Monday, September 29

BRASILIA, Sept 28 - Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva blamed the United States for the global financial crisis and said its financial bailout plan was unfair to poor people."

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.
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Palin Claimed Dinosaurs And People Coexisted

Palin Claimed Dinosaurs And People Coexisted: "In a widely-circulated interview, Matt Damon said of Palin, 'I need to know if she really think that dinosaurs were here 4000 years ago. I want to know that, I really do. Because she's gonna have the nuclear codes.'"

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.

Palin's views of humans and dinosaurs:
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Jewish Criticiam of Zionism


THESIS: Jews are not a race so the Zionist ideal is myth:

This article by an Israeli professor illustrates two important issues:

1. the healthiness of Jewish/Zionist self criticism.
2. the tension between radical religious Judaism and the humanistic Judaism that actually drove the Zionists.

from LeMonde


Zionist nationalist myth of enforced exile

In the excerpts below there are comments.

An Israeli historian suggests the diaspora was the consequence, not of the expulsion of the Hebrews from Palestine, but of proselytising across north Africa, southern Europe and the Middle East

By Schlomo Sand

Every Israeli knows that he or she is the direct and exclusive descendant of a Jewish people which has existed since it received the Torah (1) in Sinai. According to this myth, the Jews escaped from Egypt and settled in the Promised Land, where they built the glorious kingdom of David and Solomon, which subsequently split into the kingdoms of Judah and Israel. They experienced two exiles: after the destruction of the first temple, in the 6th century BC, and of the second temple, in 70 AD.


I do not know if every Israeli knows this Certainly this story, along with the even more ancient story of Abraham is beoleved literally about the Jews by a huge part of the world.

Of course, having an origins story is pretty common amongst all peoples, esp our brothers tha Arabs. They believe, based on the Quran, that along with us they are a people descended from Abraham.

Is there anything to ether ancient story? There is something.

1. Hebrew and Arabic have the same lingusitc roots in ancient Northern Arabia.
2. Genetic studies show that Arabs and Jews are both descendents of po9pulationjs form the eastern Meditierranean.

Two thousand years of wandering brought the Jews to Yemen, Morocco, Spain, Germany, Poland and deep into Russia. But, the story goes, they always managed to preserve blood links between their scattered communities. Their uniqueness was never compromised.

This is more than just a story. Amazingly the genetic data, especially for the male lineage, show that Jewish "blood lines" have been transmitted for 2000 to 3000 years. The dates for certain markers are, by the way, older than 70AD so Schlomo's thesis fails.

The contemporary historical records of these societies, esp. post Christianity, includes many discussions of how Jews were to be kept separate from Christians by law. Same. post Muhamud, for Islamic countries.

At the end of the 19th century conditions began to favour their return to their ancient homeland. If it had not been for the Nazi genocide, millions of Jews would have fulfilled the dream of 20 centuries and repopulated Eretz Israel, the biblical land of Israel. Palestine, a virgin land, had been waiting for its original inhabitants to return and awaken it. It belonged to the Jews, rather than to an Arab minority that had no history and had arrived there by chance. The wars in which the wandering people reconquered their land were just; the violent opposition of the local population was criminal.

This interpretation of Jewish history was developed as talented, imaginative historians built on surviving fragments of Jewish and Christian religious memory to construct a continuous genealogy for the Jewish people. Judaism’s abundant historiography encompasses many different approaches.

But none have ever questioned the basic concepts developed in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Discoveries that might threaten this picture of a linear past were marginalised. The national imperative rejected any contradiction of or deviation from the dominant story. University departments exclusively devoted to “the history of the Jewish people”, as distinct from those teaching what is known in Israel as general history, made a significant contribution to this selective vision. The debate on what constitutes Jewishness has obvious legal implications, but historians ignored it: as far as they are concerned, any descendant of the people forced into exile 2,000 years ago is a Jew.

Schlomo ignores Jewish law. Conversion is NOT a new idea nor has it ever been banned. Until the Islamic and Christian eras, conversion was a normal matter in the Mediterranean.

Moreover, conversion to Judaism is an ancient principle that includes Moses wife, David's mother, Hillel's grandfather, etc.

Finally, Schlomo ignores an important distinction. In Roman times many people followed Jewish principles without joining the Jewish people. This distinction was well known to the Romans and was fundamental to the starting principles of Christianity which est abolished the formal idea that one could be a follower of Judaism without going through the rituals required for conversion.

Nor did these official investigators of the past join the controversy provoked by the “new historians” from the late 1980s. Most of the limited number of participants in this public debate were from other disciplines or non-academic circles: sociologists, orientalists, linguists, geographers, political scientists, literary academics and archaeologists developed new perspectives on the Jewish and Zionist past. Departments of Jewish history remained defensive and conservative, basing themselves on received ideas. While there have been few significant developments in national history over the past 60 years (a situation unlikely to change in the short term), the facts that have emerged face any honest historian with fundamental questions.

Founding myths shaken

Is the Bible a historical text? Writing during the early half of the 19th century, the first modern Jewish historians, such as Isaak Markus Jost (1793-1860) and Leopold Zunz (1794-1886), did not think so. They regarded the Old Testament as a theological work reflecting the beliefs of Jewish religious communities after the destruction of the first temple. It was not until the second half of the century that Heinrich Graetz (1817-91) and others developed a “national” vision of the Bible and transformed Abraham’s journey to Canaan, the flight from Egypt and the united kingdom of David and Solomon into an authentic national past. By constant repetition, Zionist historians have subsequently turned these Biblical “truths” into the basis of national education.

But during the 1980s an earthquake shook these founding myths. The discoveries made by the “new archaeology” discredited a great exodus in the 13th century BC. Moses could not have led the Hebrews out of Egypt into the Promised Land, for the good reason that the latter was Egyptian territory at the time. And there is no trace of either a slave revolt against the pharaonic empire or of a sudden conquest of Canaan by outsiders.

This is half truth. The literal story as in the Torah is not likely to be true. On the other hand we KNOW from history that a Semitic people with Hebrew names occupied the northern part of Egypt for hundreds of years and actually ruled as Pharaohs until expelled by a rebellion by indigenous Egyptians form the South, The "Hyksos" fled to the area we now call Israel.

There are other pieces of evidence of some sort of Egyptian origin of part of the Hebrew people including Egyptian names in the Torah (viz. Moses) and cultural references.

Bottom line, no modern historian would argue that the early Hebrews did not have contact with Egypt.

Nor is there any trace or memory of the magnificent kingdom of David and Solomon. Recent discoveries point to the existence, at the time, of two small kingdoms: Israel, the more powerful, and Judah, the future Judea. The general population of Judah did not go into 6th

Again, Schlomo engages in half truths. It is true that historians do no see the existence of a great kingdom. So? The lack of a great kingdom is hardly inconsistent with any kingdom and there is ample evidence, that he ignores, of a Kingdom of David long before the first exile.

As for monotheism, one of David's descendants, King Josiah, was already a monotheist long before the exile and a good deal of the Torah was completed during his reign.

And yes a lot did happen in Babylon. How is this relevant to his thesis.

Finally, if the issue here is whether there was or was not a Hebrew people at this time, nobody disputes that. The major language of the areas was Hebrew, a rules of the House of David was the major ruler before the conquest and exile. Finally, there were no non-Hebrews in the pre-exile area since by then the Canaani and Hebrews were one culture.


century BC exile: only its political and intellectual elite were forced to settle in Babylon. This decisive encounter with Persian religion gave birth to Jewish monotheism.

True, Judaism has grown for about 3000 years.

Then there is the question of the exile of 70 AD. There has been no real research into this turning point in Jewish history, the cause of the diaspora. And for a simple reason: the Romans never exiled any nation from anywhere on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean. Apart from enslaved prisoners, the population of Judea continued to live on their lands, even after the destruction of the second temple. Some converted to Christianity in the 4th century, while the majority embraced Islam during the 7th century Arab conquest.

Most Zionist thinkers were aware of this: Yitzhak Ben Zvi, later president of Israel, and David Ben Gurion, its first prime minister, accepted it as late as 1929, the year of the great Palestinian revolt. Both stated on several occasions that the peasants of Palestine were the descendants of the inhabitants of ancient Judea (2).

Whatever Schlomo OR Ben Zvi believes, the non Jewish occupants of the area were NOT the descendants of the Judeans. By 1929 this area had been variously conquered, occupied, and colonized by Romans, Arabs, Europeans, and Turks. While one assumes that some of the older genome persevered, there is no historical record of any people in this land, other than the Jews, regarding themselves as distinct and maintaining intra marriage tradtions. The only exception may be the Beduoins and these have always been a minority.

Proselytising zeal

But if there was no exile after 70 AD, where did all the Jews who have populated the Mediterranean since antiquity come from? The smokescreen of national historiography hides an astonishing reality. From the Maccabean revolt of the mid-2nd century BC to the Bar Kokhba revolt of the 2nd century AD, Judaism was the most actively proselytising religion. The Judeo-Hellenic Hasmoneans forcibly converted the Idumeans of southern Judea and the Itureans of Galilee and incorporated them into the people of Israel. Judaism spread across the Middle East and round the Mediterranean. The 1st century AD saw the emergence in modern Kurdistan of the Jewish kingdom of Adiabene, just one of many that converted.

There is, as far as I know, no historic evidence of the Kurdish legend and modern genetics has proven that the Ashkenazi Jews have Mediterranean not Caucasian roots. As to more ancient conversions, what is Schlomo's point? Of course there were conversions.

The writings of Flavius Josephus are not the only evidence of the proselytising zeal of the Jews. Horace, Seneca, Juvenal and Tacitus were among the Roman writers who feared it. The Mishnah and the Talmud (3) authorised conversion, even if the wise men of the Talmudic tradition expressed reservations in the face of the mounting pressure from Christianity.

Although the early 4th century triumph of Christianity did not mark the end of Jewish expansion, it relegated Jewish proselytism to the margins of the Christian cultural world. During the 5th century, in modern Yemen, a vigorous Jewish kingdom emerged in Himyar, whose descendants preserved their faith through the Islamic conquest and down to the present day. Arab chronicles tell of the existence, during the 7th century, of Judaised Berber tribes; and at the end of the century the legendary Jewish queen Dihya contested the Arab advance into northwest Africa. Jewish Berbers participated in the conquest of the Iberian peninsula and helped establish the unique symbiosis between Jews and Muslims that characterised Hispano-Arabic culture.

Again, Schlomo is making no real pont unless he really thinks that Zionism depends on a literal accetance of the bible. If there were Berbers who became jewish, how is that a bad thing?

The most significant mass conversion occurred in the 8th century, in the massive Khazar kingdom between the Black and Caspian seas. The expansion of Judaism from the Caucasus into modern Ukraine created a multiplicity of communities, many of which retreated from the 13th century Mongol invasions into eastern Europe. There, with Jews from the Slavic lands to the south and from what is now modern Germany, they formed the basis of Yiddish culture (4).

Again, this myth is now known to be ..a myth.

Prism of Zionism

Until about 1960 the complex origins of the Jewish people were more or less reluctantly acknowledged by Zionist historiography. But thereafter they were marginalised and finally erased from Israeli public memory. The Israeli forces who seized Jerusalem in 1967 believed themselves to be the direct descendents of the mythic kingdom of David rather than – God forbid – of Berber warriors or Khazar horsemen. The Jews claimed to constitute a specific ethnic group that had returned to Jerusalem, its capital, from 2,000 years of exile and wandering.

This is the nub, the antisemitic core of both Palestinian propaganda and Schlomo's revisionism. "Peoples" do not arise form some sort of mythological ur-parent. Leaving aside his bazaar comments both the Khazara, OF COURSE the Jewish people have evolved over time. The idea of racial purity belongs in the Nazi portfolio, not ours. Why should Jews be different from Russians, Englishmen, Lakota???


This monolithic, linear edifice is supposed to be supported by biology as well as history. Since the 1970s supposedly scientific research, carried out in Israel, has desperately striven to demonstrate that Jews throughout the world are closely genetically related.

Research into the origins of populations now constitutes a legitimate and popular field in molecular biology and the male Y chromosome has been accorded honoured status in the frenzied search for the unique origin of the “chosen people”. The problem is that this historical fantasy has come to underpin the politics of identity of the state 
of Israel. By validating an essentialist, 
ethnocentric definition of Judaism it encourages a segregation that separates Jews from non-Jews – whether Arabs, Russian immigrants or foreign workers.

So, having dissed others' views of history Schlomom now wants to discard science because it agrees with history?? First of, it is nonsense that only Israeli or even Jewish scientists can read DNA. Second, HE is a racist and antisemite if he asserts that somehow Jews, among all world peoples, must only accept others if they are of pure blood.

Finally, this entire argument assumes there is a race called "Palestinians." This is certainly not true.

Sixty years after its foundation, Israel refuses to accept that it should exist for the sake of its citizens. For almost a quarter of the population, who are not regarded as Jews, this is not their state legally. At the same time, Israel presents itself as the homeland of Jews throughout the world, even if these are no longer persecuted refugees, but the full and equal citizens of other countries.

A global ethnocracy invokes the myth of the eternal nation, reconstituted on the land of its ancestors, to justify internal discrimination against its own citizens. It will remain difficult to imagine a new Jewish history while the prism of Zionism continues to fragment everything into an ethnocentric spectrum. But Jews worldwide have always tended to form religious communities, usually by conversion; they cannot be said to share an ethnicity derived from a unique origin and displaced over 20 centuries of wandering.

The development of historiography and the evolution of modernity were consequences of the invention of the nation state, which preoccupied millions during the 19th and 20th centuries. The new millennium has seen these dreams begin to shatter.

And more and more academics are analysing, dissecting and deconstructing the great national stories, especially the myths of common origin so dear to chroniclers of the past.

Shlomo Sand is professor of history at Tel Aviv university and the author of Comment le people juif fut inventé (Fayard, Paris, 2008)

The easiest response to this is to say that even if it were true of the Israeli Jews, so what? The same thing is true and even more so of the Palestinians. There is no such ethnioc group prior to tis creation in reaction to Zionism and spe post 1948.

What Schlomo refuses to understand is that we are a people, not a race and not (just) a religion. If he were not a Jew himself, this would be patent antisemtiism. Any modern view of that people, if Israel mis to exist, mustn include an understanding that some other peoples exist in the Jewish society just as Turks have conme to live in Sweden or Chinese in California.



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Saturday, September 27, 2008

McCain Violates Trust

No one but me noticed?

Twice last night John McCain cited top military brass, including Gen Petraeus , as being in agreement with the candidates policies on Iraq and Iran.

Not only is this not true .. based on what they have said, but under US law no officer serving in our military is allowed to make a statement on politics.

IF these folks did express their agreement in private, it should have stayed there,

However, I am rather positive they did not say any such things. Gen Petraeus has been very careful to stay within his bounds as a tactician. That was a major coup over Move-On.

If MCCain were a serving officer, he would be court martialled
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Thursday, September 25, 2008

China space mission article hits Web before launch - Yahoo! News


China space mission article hits Web before launch - Yahoo! News: "

China space mission article hits Web before launch

Thu Sep 25, 9:20 AM ET

BEIJING - A news story describing a successful launch of China's long-awaited space mission and including detailed dialogue between astronauts launched on the Internet Thursday, hours before the rocket had even left the ground.

The country's official news agency Xinhua posted the article on its Web site Thursday, and remained there for much of the day before it was taken down.

A staffer from the Xinhuanet.com Web site who answered the phone Thursday said the posting of the article was a 'technical error' by a technician. The staffer refused to give his name as is common among Chinese officials.

The Shenzhou 7 mission, which will feature China's first-ever spacewalk, is set to launch Thursday from Jiuquan in northwestern China between 9:07 a.m. EDT and 10:27 p.m. EDT.

The arcticle, dated two days from now on Sept. 27, vividly described the rocket in flight, complete with a sharply detailed dialogue between the three astronauts.

Excerpts are below:

'After this order, signal lights all were switched on, various data show up on rows of screens, hundreds of technicians staring at the screens, without missing any slightest changes ...

'One minute to go!'

'Changjiang No.1 found the target!'...

'The firm voice of the controller broke the silence of the whole ship. Now, the target is captured 12 seconds ahead of the predicted time ...

'The air pressure in the cabin is normal!'

'Ten minutes later, the ship disappears below the horizon. Warm clapping"

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HorsesAss.Org » Blog Archive » Palin’s preacher problem

HorsesAss.Org » Blog Archive » Palin’s preacher problem

@6 Mr. Cyncial

Asking a Jew whether he is a "believer?" is more than a little insulting. Do you have any idea what Judaism is?

There is no credo, no statement of what a Jew must believe. An aetheist (me) can be a very good Jew (I hope)


Of course there is a Jewish religion and historically that religion has been the glue that has held our community together. Individual Jews may or may not believe in that religion, however, the religion itself teaches that living an ethical life is far more important than believing in some specific picture of God or story about the Garden of Eden.

So amongst us, Einstein, Salk, Spinoza, .... all atheists, we are all Jews.

Beyond that, why you think the book of Daniel is a revelation from God anymore that the Egyptian Book of the Dead is, to me, a profound mystery. FWIW, in Judaism the only "revelation" is books of Moses. You obviously do not understand that Christians have misappropriated our legends to form their bible.

So yeh .. I am a proud Jew and I try very hard to live within our tradition. I am also an atheist. While I certainly can not speak for Goldy, I suspect he and I share a pride in people who have lived great lives built on Jewish principles ... including Samuel Gompers and Saul Alinsky ..."community organizers" who led the US labor movement, the Mississippi three who died in the the civil rights cause, Hannah Senesh who sacrificed her life to organize rebellion against the Nazis, etc.

Against this background, Sarah Palin is more than a little disgusting. She represents the barbarians "we" have fought against for three thousand years.






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Wednesday, September 24, 2008

DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2005®

DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2005®: "EXCLUSIVE: LETTERMAN MOCKS MCCAIN CANCELLATION
Wed Sep 24 2008 17:41:58 ET

David Letterman tells audience that McCain called him today to tell him he had to rush back to DC to deal with the economy.

Then in the middle of the taping Dave got word that McCain was, in fact just down the street being interviewed by Katie Couric. Dave even cut over to the live video of the interview, and said, 'Hey Senator, can I give you a ride home?'

Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, 'You don't suspend your campaign. This doesn't smell right. This isn't the way a tested hero behaves.' And he joked: 'I think someone's putting something in his metamucil.'

'He can't run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second string quarterback, Sara Palin. Where is she?'

'What are you going to do if you're elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We've got a guy like that now!'"

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.
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Political Punch


Political Punch: "McCain had phoned Reid to ask about the prospects of him, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and others to sit down and work together on hammering out a bipartisan proposal.

'Sorry,' Reid said to him, a Democrat close to Reid says.

Reid then read McCain the statement he had just put out: 'This is a critical time for our country,' says the Reid statement. 'While I appreciate that both candidates have signaled their willingness to help, Congress and the administration have a process in place to reach a solution to this unprecedented financial crisis. I understand that the candidates are putting together a joint statement at Sen. Obama’s suggestion. But it would not be helpful at this time to have them come back during these negotiations and risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation’s economy. If that changes, we will call upon them. We need leadership; not a campaign photo op. If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.”

A source close to Reid said McCain didn't have much to say after that. Reid, the source says, thinks McCain's maneuver is a gimmick born from bad poll numbers and the fact that 'debate prep must not be going very well.'"

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Gmail - Compose Mail - stephenm.schwartz@gmail.com


Gmail - Compose Mail - stephenm.schwartz@gmail.com: "

Zerhouni's EARLY resignation is not a good sign.

Zerhouni is a very smart fellow. My guess is that he has seen some very frightening words on the wall. If McCain is elected, there is no reason to believe that the radicals in the republican party will support any efforts McCain himself might make to suport the NIH. If Obama is elected, we will still have the critical budget eriod for 09 in the hands of a lame duck administration followed by at least a year of work to rebuild an administration that has been badly challenged to a point far worse than the usual transition when a new party takes power.

With no permanent head, the very delicate job of representing the NIH to Congress will likely go to an internal and clearly temporary appointment. Clout WILL be an issue in the always delicate job of finding a few dollars in a very shrinking discretionary fund to pay the bills at the NIH..

All other matters aside, I suggest for any of you that are not active, that this is the time to work for Obama-Biden. They have already committed to a return to a growing NIH budget but more importantly our chance of having good science at the cabinet table is a stark contrast to what may happen under McCain Palin.

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By a GenomeWeb staff reporter

NEW YORK (GenomeWeb News) – National Institutes of Health Director Elias Zerhouni said this morning he will resign from his position at the end of October "to pursue writing projects and explore other professional opportunities."
Zerhouni was appointed to the directorship of NIH in 2002 by President George W. Bush, and he has since that time overseen both rapid growth in the size of the institute and the breadth of its efforts.
“As the NIH’s 15th director, Dr. Elias Zerhouni laid the groundwork for achieving a transformative vision of a personalized, predictive, preemptive, and participatory healthcare system,” CEO of the non-profit Association of American Medical Colleges, Darrell Kirch, said in a statement.
“Since his appointment in 2002, Dr. Zerhouni has tackled the dual challenges of leading the NIH during the final years of the [funding] doubling and unprecedented investment in research, and the difficult years that followed as the agency experienced consistently flat funding,” Kirch continued.
As the budget at NIH stalled against the rising costs of biomedical inflation, Zerhouni pressed publicly for increased funding for NIH. He told the science community in 2006 he was “most deeply troubled” by the trend.
In a recent article in Science, Zerhouni wrote that stalled federal funding was “eroding the growth of NIH at a time when opportunities for scientific progress and advances in human health have never been greater.”
He also said that the bioscience community must “do a better job in demonstrating our value to society,” if it wants to maintain importance to those holding the federal purse-strings.
Zerhouni oversaw the launch of the NIH Roadmap for Medical Research program, which has focused on supporting new clinical research efforts and cutting-edge technologies, and has focused on development of new diagnostic and treatment efforts. Zerhouni once described the Roadmap program as a necessary response to “an era of rapid convergence” and “emerging opportunities in the sciences,” and he said it gives NIH the chance to “incubate new ideas.”
In 2005, he started the Office of Portfolio Analysis and Strategic Initiatives, which is aimed at transforming the methods NIH uses to identify and fund vanguard areas of research.


--
Stephen M. Schwartz
Pathology
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Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Campbell Brown Rips McCain Camp's "Sexist" Treatment Of Palin

Campbell Brown Rips McCain Camp's "Sexist" Treatment Of Palin: "Show your
A prominent female news anchor chastised the McCain campaign Tuesday evening for engaging in sexism and insulting behavior in its attempt to shield Gov. Sarah Palin from members of the press.

In a fiery commentary, Campbell Brown laid into John McCain for casting a 'chauvinistic chain' that ran over his running mate. Punctuated by a call to 'Free Sarah Palin,' the CNN anchor highlighted the attempt Tuesday by the McCain campaign to ban editorial reporters from covering Palin's visit with world leaders at the UN, as yet another gender-demeaning move in a campaign highlighted by sexist behavior."

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.
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FREE the Blogger!


Malaysian blogger to be detained for two years: wife: "Malaysia's most prominent blogger has been ordered to spend two years in detention under internal security laws after being accused of insulting Islam, his wife said Tuesday.

Raja Petra Kamaruddin, a government critic and founder of the Malaysia Today website, has been sent to the Kamunting detention centre in northern Perak state on the order of the home minister, his wife Marina Lee Abdullah told AFP."

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.

blog address

http://mt.m2day.org/2008/

RPK's Address at Kamunting

Y.M. Raja Petra Kamarudin
Tempat Tahanan Perlindungan,
34009 Kamunting, Taiping.
Perak MALAYSIA

Send a card to RPK as a sign of support

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Monday, September 22, 2008

China paper urges new currency order after financial tsunami | Reuters

China paper urges new currency order after financial tsunami | Reuters: "China paper urges new currency order after 'financial tsunami'"

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Sunday, September 21, 2008

Venezuela to buy Chinese combat planes: Chavez


Venezuela to buy Chinese combat planes: Chavez: "Venezuela will buy combat and training aircraft from China this week, leftist Venezuela President Hugo Chavez confirmed in a television broadcast Sunday."

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.
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'Obey' Street Artist Churns Out 'Hope' for Obama | The Underwire from Wired.com





'Obey' Street Artist Churns Out 'Hope' for Obama | The Underwire from Wired.com: "Shepard Fairey, the 38-year-old street artist known for a guerrilla art campaign that coupled the ominous slogan 'Obey' with the face of pro wrestler Andre the Giant, is behind the Obama design that has become synonymous with the Democratic nominee."

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.
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Attorney General Pulls Immunity Trigger, Denies 'Dragnet' Surveillance -- Update | Threat Level from Wired.com

Attorney General Pulls Immunity Trigger, Denies 'Dragnet' Surveillance -- Update | Threat Level from Wired.com: "Attorney General Pulls Immunity Trigger, Denies 'Dragnet' Surveillance -- Update
By David Kravets EmailSeptember 20, 2008 | 4:41:58 PMCategories: Surveillance

Agmukasey_3 U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey on Saturday denied that the Bush administration -- in conjunction with the nation's telecommunication companies -- devised a 'dragnet' electronic surveillance program that funneled Americans' communications to the National Security Agency without court warrants.

But the attorney general also insisted that defending his claim in court would harm national security.

'Specific information demonstrating that the alleged dragnet has not occurred cannot be disclosed on the public record without causing exceptional harm to national security,' Mukasey wrote in a federal court filing in San Francisco. 'However, because there was no such alleged content-dragnet, no provider participated in that alleged activity.'

It was the first time Mukasey, as the nation's top law enforcement official, provided an emphatic and wholesale written courthouse denial of allegations contained in lawsuits accusing the Bush administration of widescale domestic spying in the years following the 2001 terror attacks. Keith Alexander, the NSA director, issued a similar courthouse denial in a 2007 court document (.pdf)."

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Irony: Microsoft 'I'm a PC' Ads Were Created Using a Mac

Microsoft 'I'm a PC' Ads Were Created Using a Mac

I might get my head torn off by The Ballmer for posting this "I'm a PC" bit of trivia today, but the irony is too great to pass up. Turns out that phase two of the "I'm a PC " advertising counterattack against Apple was... created on a Mac. If Apple was smart, and I think they are, they'd have another Hodgeman ad making fun of this produced and in the can yesterday.

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Think Progress » Bush’s Legacy Of Squandering Taxpayer Money

Think Progress » Bush’s Legacy Of Squandering Taxpayer Money: "Bush’s Legacy Of Squandering Taxpayer Money»"
Worth a read.
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Gizmodo, the Gadget Guide

Atlantis and Endeavour Together for the Last Time"Historic Photo Shows Atlantis and Endeavour Together for the Last Time >

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HorsesAss.Org » BlMedical Fuck Initiative

HorsesAss.Org » Blog Archive » When a Judge Becomes a Doctor: "I suspect it is unlikely that the judge made her decision without referring to someone with expertise.

I wonder if there may not be a different tack for the MJ evangelists? I would make an analogy between FUCK and marijuana.

When I was growing up we used FUCK as a normal part of language. “Fuck you” was even a pleasantry .. about like the contemporary use of “Nigger” as an affectionate term in the black community. As I have gotten older, the censorship of this useful explication has become very annoying to me.

Like marijuana bans or America’s censorship of porn, fuck bans are very much a cultural phenomenon. When I was first in Sweden I was struck by the huge and open distribution of rather tasteless porn. In Sweden, a country that has a public standard of morality far higher than our own, porn is as accepted as candy bars are here.

I asked a friend his thoughts on this and he told me that despite the general atheism of Swedes, they consider sex normal BUT abhor blasphemy! I asked about swear word using sex or feces and he told me Swedish lacks such terms. Goran then taught me the functional equivalent of FUCK. The Swede faced with a similar verbal need uses, FANN. The Swedish “fann”, however, means devil!

I later discovered that this"

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.
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Sound Politics: Comment on The Governor's Debate: The Morning After

Sound Politics: Comment on The Governor's Debate: The Morning After: "16. I am relieved and peasantly surprised by Gregoire's performance last night.

I voted for Rossi in 04 because I felt she had not been a good AG and her campaign seemed feckless.

I oppose Rossi in 08 because of his allegiance to the Radical Religious Right. Still, I have been very disappointed in Gregoire as a leader (and still am).

BUT

last night was a big surprise. In 04 he was a FAR better debater than she. Last night the leaf had turned. He was about waht he was 4 years ago but she has matured abd showed a level of confidence I had not expected.

I still am a pessimist and fear a Rossi win, but I will now actually contribute dollars to the governor.
Posted by SeattleJew at September 21, 2008 10:27 AM"

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.
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Friday, September 19, 2008

ABC News: New Al Qaeda Tape Surfaces Despite US Efforts to Block It

ABC News: New Al Qaeda Tape Surfaces Despite US Efforts to Block It: "US officials declined to comment on what role the government played, saying it is their policy not to comment on sensitive intelligence operations.

But intelligence sources say the US, with help from German and Malaysian authorities, were able to disrupt al Qaeda's normal internet release method.

'It's something we've been trying to do for some time,' said former CIA intelligence officer John Kiriakou, an ABC News consultant.

Intelligence sources say the US has made major strides in infiltrating the al Qaeda internet distribution network and chose to use its knowledge this year to keep the 9/ll tape from coming out immediately.

US officials said they did not expect they could keep the tape permanently blocked ."

Here is the tape, and the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.


Where in the
US constitution is the First Amendment restricted to Americans? Does our government have the right to interfere with the Internet in this way because el Qaeda is located outside our borders?

With all due disrespect toward Islamofascists but respect toward the good things the Quran also teaches, here is an offer:

"In the name of Madison and the other Forefathers of the American Revolution, I state my understanding that the Constitution of the USA was written to guarantee the rights of Man to all people. Among the most sacred of those rights is the freedom of speach. The US government has no more right to censor el Qaeda than it does to censor Barack Obama, John McCain, or Ralph Nader.

In the name of the Constitution, I offer to distribute any tapes or other materials el Qaeda can get to me.

May all people live in peace and justice.

SeattleJew (aka Steve Schwartz)."
Of course el Qaeda may not want SJ to post the tapes because I have also posted the Mohamed cartoons they dislike. So, I will go one step further. If they would prfer to NOT post on SJ, I will do all I can to see that the tapes are widely distributed on the web. Surly many sites will post them.

am aware this may piss off the government and can imagine an effort to prosecute me for aiding abetting the enemy, but I also hope and assume

If the US government is in such a sad state that we can not distribute our own propaganda, then el Qaeda has won.
that we will soon have an administration more in line with the America I love and that point, the argument about who the REAL enemy is may begin.

Here is a good discussion of the issue of who the constitution was written for.

and another:

The Constitution does protect the freedom of speech of every citizen, and even of non-citizens — but only from restriction by the Congress (and, by virtue of the 14th Amendment, by state legislatures, too). There are plenty of other places where you could speak but where speech can and is suppressed. For example, freedom of speech can be and often is restricted in a work place, for example: employers can restrict your right to speak in the work place about politics, about religion, about legal issues, even about Desperate Housewives. The same restrictions that apply to the government do not apply to private persons, employers, or establishments. For another example, the government could not prohibit the sale of any newspaper lest it breech the freedom of the press. No newsstand, however, must carry every paper against its owners' wishes.


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School opens in Ethiopia to prepare Falash Mura children for aliya | Israel | Jerusalem Post

School opens in Ethiopia to prepare Falash Mura children for aliya | Israel | Jerusalem Post: "Days after the Israeli government did an about-face and agreed to continue evaluating Ethiopia's Falash Mura population for eligibility to make aliya, a new school opened in the northern Ethiopian city of Gondar to help prepare thousands of Falash Mura children for a future life in the Jewish homeland.
Falash Mura Ethiopians ...

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GREAT LINK


Online ... free viewing of magazines.
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Palin McCain Administration



Sarah Palin, Demagogue. A t least she has not called for a putsch.


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Thursday, September 18, 2008

Swiss restaurant to serve meals cooked with human breast milk - Telegraph

Swiss restaurant to serve meals cooked with human breast milk

A Swiss gastronomist has stirred a controversy in the tranquil Alpine republic after announcing that he will serve meals cooked with human breast milk.

Swiss restaurant to serve meals cooked with human breast milk
Women will receive just over £3 (US$5.4) for 14 ounces of their milk Photo: GETTY

The owner of the Storchen restaurant in the exclusive Winterthur resort will improve his menu with local specialities such as meat stew and various soups and sauces containing at least 75 per cent of mother's milk.

"We have all been raised on it. Why should we not include it into our diet?" Hans Locher, who has become Switzerland most controversial restaurant owner, said.

Mr Locher attracted the attention of the leading media of the German-speaking world this week after he posted ads looking for women donors, who will receive just over three pounds for 14 ounces of their milk.

He said: "I first experimented with breast milk when my daughter was born.

"One can cook really delicious things with it. However, it always needs to be mixed with a bit of whipped cream, in order to keep the consistency."

The food control authority in Switzerland was initially confused by the apparent loophole in local legislation regulating the use of human milk and it was not clear whether Mr Locher could actually be banned from serving his specialities.

"Humans as producers of milk are simply not envisaged in the legislation.

"They are not on the list of approved species such as cows and sheep, but they are also not on the list of the banned species such as apes and primates," Rolf Etter of the Zurich food control laboratory said.

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Wednesday, September 17, 2008

Comment on first term abortions

Ragnar ...

Let me say again that I totally respect people who have a consistent belief in the right to life.

Because the approach you take is very much like the one I took for many years, perhaps it will interest you if I explain my own take on the right to life

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Judaism teaches that the right to life is the absolute moral imperative. "Life" comes before the sabbath, hashrut, etc. I accept that. Like you, I believe that we need to err as much as possible on the side of protecting life because the slippery slope of the other side is so evident. FWIW I am almost totally opposed to capital punishment and have very strong beliefs that we, the world that is, put too little resources into being sure that children survive.

I also oppose abortions in the third trimester, except for the health of the mother or where it can be shown the fetus will not be viable after birth. I admit to being torn by cases like the trisomy 18 described above but would like to discuss that in a different thread.

I believe both sexes have the same rights to choose how a fetus is protected. This means I do not think that even in the first trimestre women have the right to terminate withut consent of the father.

Later in pregnancy, I once a life is fully viable, it seems to me that women can not have the right to terminate it. I find the idea that a woman has the right to end a six month pregnancy at will abhorrent ansd suspect we agree on that?

At the other end of life, I oppose I-1000. Even though I respect each individual's right to choose how to die, I oppose I-1000 because I do not believe health care providers should have the ability to choose between prolonging life and offering suicide. One would have to be blind not to see the likely consequences of giving a Aetna a choice between six months of expensive terminal care and offering their client suicide.

Ragnar

As I said, your reasoning is exactly the same as mine was for many years. I agree that one can interpret the science as you do.

May I offer a different interpretation?

Each of us is defined by a unique genetic code that is first assembled at zygosis when the half copy of the male's genome and the half copy of the females genome are assembled, for the first time, in one cell. The magic of this event is that it is unique and without it none of use would exist.

So is that "life?" This can get into a soert of Clintonian discussion fo when is "is" "is not?" So let me just lay out the facts and tell you how I now make my decision.

After zygosis, there are many steps that must occur of we are to develop into a "person." These include, but are not limited to: implantation on the uterus and transition to an embryo with the different types of cells "germ layers" needed to create a human being. From there, many embryos do not survive to have the characteristic features of a human because in the random errors that occur when the two genomes combined.


Moreover, while the genetic code itself does not change in this period, it is heavily modified in ways that add to the individual's individuality. These modifications are themselves inherited by our cells as long as we live and are the reason that twins are never truly identical.

This is part of the debate over stem cells. Today we routinely cure many diseases by using stem cells. These cells have much of the dame properties of the zygote and it is VERY likely that such cells can be used to clone an etnire person.

Would that clone be you? No, no more than a twin is you because the clone would have undergone its own modifications.

Put another way, we all routinely discard stem cells that could be used to develop unique individuals in much the same ways as the zygote first develops.

So, for me, the zygote is not yet an individual and it can be treated ethically much as we treat an adult stem cell.


So, that is where I come from and would very mush welcome a real discussion.
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Michelle's Cousin Caper's Funnye ..Rabbi


Mazel Tov to Rabbi Capers and Rabbinit Miriam Funnye

Rabbi Capers and Rabbinit Miriam FunnyeCelebrate the 22nd Anniversary of Rabbi Capers and Rabbinit Miriam Funnye
Friday, October 26th – October 28th
Beth Shalom B’nai Zaken, Ethipian Hebrew Congregation
6601 South Kedzie Avenue, Chicago Illinois 60629

Call Beth Shalom at (773) 476-2924 for more information.


READ MORE HERE

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Friday, September 12, 2008

Lee The him

More of Lee's bad behavior. He deleted the following af=gainst the rules at HA.

Lee's sentiments, as always, are well meant but his logic is poor. He really does not inderstand how the healthcare system works.

I’ve seen a growing desire in this country to have government take on the role of moral nanny in many ways. The end result of such a movement is undoubtedly a loss of liberty and a loss of our desire to be free adults, fully responsible for our own choices.


I-1000 creates a government intrusion into terminal care that does not exist now and may even make existing practices to help people deal with suffering illegal.


....I-1000 does not cause the insurance companies to do the wrong thing or a relative to lust after your inheritance. But I-1000 does prevent those people from dictating the choices you make at the end of your life. I-1000 ensures that the decision about how you die can be made by you, and no one else. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying about the law or does not understand it.


Leaving Lee's penchant for dismissing others arguments as "lies," he is just wrong here. Under I-1000 an insurance company STILL has the right to refuse to pay for palliative care (relief form pain and suffering). If you offer a person in such a situation a choice between impoverishment, horrible pain, or a $50 suicide cocktail, the level of coersion is frightening.

The unfortunate truth for a libertarian is that one can not provide a suicide mechanism as an alternative to terminal care as long as many people can not afford the terminal care and as long as HMOs stand to profit everytime a terminal care patient chooses to drink the hemlock.


But government should not exist to tell us what decisions we make at an individual level that relate to our own moral compass - unless of course those decisions directly impact the public at large. The opponents of I-1000 are crossing that line - attempting to make choices that should be left up to individuals and their loved ones, without government interference and without having to submit to anyone else’s religious doctrines.


I think Lee is putting lipstick on the pig here. At least for myself, my objections have nothing to do with divinity. They do, however, have to do with morality and I think asking a healthcare provider to choose between profiting form a death and prolonging life is not moral.

I also think Lee is blind to the wording of I-1000. Currently, decisions about how a terminal patient "goes" are made outside og governmental interference by physicians, other healthcare team members, the family, and the patient. These are anything but simple decisions.

And yes, a common issue is whether the relif from suffering is best met by something that accelerates death. Having both helped to make such decisions and been a family member twice as they were made, I really would not want an I-1000 mechanism getting in the way.

Finally, Lee has railed against the current system as being outside the law, he knows perfectly well that there have been no law suits and no pressure against the current practice. Since a large part of the medical community .. including I ... agree with him that patients should have the right to die, he might wonder why so few terminal care physicians have come out for this law? The reason my colleagues give is simple, the law is restrictive.


Leaving Lee aside, as I have a terrible record of petrifying his views, to other proponents and esp. those who feel this is a kind thing to do, imagine yourself at a bedside. A patient is in pain. Their physician, a long term family friend, talks with the patinet and her family. Everyone "read" emotions on each other and on Mom that are very hard to state in legal terms. When does "yes" I want the morphine really mean, "I wante more love?"

A decision is made jointly to let the patient have ad lib morphine ... something that will lead to death. The physician is skilled, everyone understand what is happening.


Perhaps I can provoke a civil discussion by posing a question of how the next steps might occur under I-1000:
The patient's son objects saying "we" do not understand what Mom wants. The son says we need an outside consultant and insists on Dr. Palin. What then?
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Did sarah palin file a 2007 tax return? - Yahoo! Answers

Did sarah palin file a 2007 tax return? - Yahoo! Answers: "Did sarah palin file a 2007 tax return?
can't seem to find a current 2007 tax return on sarah palin"


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Jusus Loves Palin's Dude

KTUU.com | Alaska's news and information source | Mr. Palin goes back to Prudhoe: "You know, we've never hidden the fact that Todd had a job and he's created to work,' said the governor. 'He wants to keep working and after seven months of not working he is ready to go back.'"

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.
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Thursday, September 11, 2008

McPorky Pig


Just who is that pig with lipstick?


John McCain's daughter Meghan is not taking offense to Barack Obama's "lipstick on a pig" line like the rest of her father's campaign, pointing out Wednesday morning that GOP presidential nominee has been known to use the phrase.

"I've heard my dad say that, the term 'lipstick on a pig,'" McCain said during an appearance on Fox promoting her new children's book about her father. ...

In fact, you can Google it. Exhibit number one comes from Vice President Dick Cheney four years ago - also on the campaign trail.

”As we say in Wyoming, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig,” quipped Vice President Dick Cheney in a stump speech yesterday, with reference to John Kerry’s claims he would be a credible war president.

Exhibit number two comes special delivery from the Obama campaign pointing out that Senator McCain himself used this phrase almost a year ago describing Hillary Clinton’s health care plan.

“I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig,” he said of her proposal.

And exhibit number three comes from the always-reliable Marc Ambinder over at The Atlantic. Obama has used this phrase before as well.

‘I think that both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment,’ Sen. Barack Obama said yesterday in a telephone interview. ‘George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig.

It’s unlikely that “lipstick-pig-gate” will get much traction (although it would be fun to continue to say lipstick-pig-gate), but the battle over who is the true “agent-of-change” will undoubtedly continue.

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GOP foreign policy experts cool on Palin - David Paul Kuhn - Politico.com

GOP foreign policy experts cool on Palin - David Paul Kuhn - Politico.com: "By DAVID PAUL KUHN | 9/11/08 4:50 AM EST
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Condoleezza Rice, Aug. 26, 2008
In a CNN interview over the weekend, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice declined to defend Palin’s foreign policy credentials when asked whether Palin has 'enough experience to handle the kinds of things that you need to handle?'
...........


The acclaim for the vice presidential nominee is all but deafening within the GOP, except in one small but influential corner: the party’s foreign policy establishment. Among that mandarin class, the response to Palin’s nomination has been underwhelming, marked by distinctly faint praise or flat-out silence.

Consider Indiana Sen. Richard Lugar, the former chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who currently serves as the committee’s top-ranking Republican.

The day Sen. Joe Biden was announced as Barack Obama’s running mate, Lugar, while en route to Tbilisi, Georgia, quickly issued a statement praising the choice.

'I congratulate Sen. Barack Obama on his selection of my friend, Sen. Joe Biden, to be his vice presidential running mate,” he said. “I have enjoyed for many years the opportunity to work with Joe Biden to bring strong bipartisan support to United States foreign policy.” Lugar has made no comment on Palin. "

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More Pompous Bogus Bigotry at Effin Unsound

Over at Effin Unsound DK (an anonymous nom de plume) has once agins railed at me because he does not like my morals. Like his friend Lee or a Repubolican campaigner, this "DK" has the disturbing ability to make up things and ascribe them to his opponents.

The other face of DK, or Lee?, is that he hyrows invectives and judgements when he has no other arguments.

He has threatened to delete my posting, so I have cross posted my reply here:

Of course I have never said, nor would I that ever said that "women 35 or older just simply should not get pregnant at all, for any reason. If they do, they are ALL guilty of wanting to harm their child" What I have said many times, despite your invective, is that by accepting her own commitment to the right to life, Palin also accepted .. or should have .. the responsibility not to become pregnant at 44. After all, this pregnancy was not simply a gift of God. , it is a choice she made.

As for 35, that is utterly out of the blue.

This may be hard for you to understand, but I respect people who believe in right to life, as long as they are consistent about the belief. My criticism of her morality s based on her claim of piety and the assumption, which could be wrong, that a pious woman of 44 married to a pious man do not have sex without understanding its consequences. Even then, I have agreed that if the sex was somehow involuntary, I would support her position.

As for the HIV example, of course it is a shocking example but why? Why is there such an easy judgement against the usually poor, generally non-white, HIV infected mothers but not against a middle class woman? Whys is it noble for Palin to have a Downs child raised by her sister and ignoble for Chandra Washington to do the same thing? Is the major difference that one mother has the reosurces to raise her child and the other does not? If Chandra were 44, without HIV, and intentionally having babies because she likes kids or wants the welfare support, would that change the moral balance?

Finally, before you poof this, we do agree on one thing here. The decision that a pro-choice family makes to brng a Downs' baby to term is a hard one. So, tell me where you would stand on that. If Sarah knew here baby was going t have Downs or Chandra knew the baby was going t have HIV, and if both were pro choice, what would you think was the moral stand for each?

Cross Posted at SeattleJew.



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Palin Quoted Anti-Semite In Convention Speech

Palin Quoted Anti-Semite In Convention Speech: "'We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity,' the vice-presidential candidate said, quoting an anonymous 'writer,' which is to say, Pegler, who must have penned that mellifluous line when not writing his more controversial stuff. As the New York Times pointed out in its obituary of him in 1969, Pegler once lamented that a would-be assassin 'hit the wrong man' when gunning for Franklin Roosevelt.

The Politico's Ben Smith notes that, beyond supporting FDR's assassination, Pegler was an anti-Semite:

He was also known for what Philip Roth described as his 'casual distaste for Jews,' which had become so evident by the end that he was bounced from the journal of the John Birch Society in 1964 for alleged anti-semitism. According to his obituary, he'd advanced the theory that American Jews of Eastern European descent were 'instinctively sympathetic to Communism, however outwardly respectable they appeared.'"

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.
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Wednesday, September 10, 2008

Why I Do Not Support I-1000


HorsesAss.Org » Blog Archive » Why I Support I-1000, or, Dyin’ Ain’t Nobody’s Business But Your Own:

Respone to Michael Hood of Blatherwatch who support the Deathe woth Dignity Initiative

Michael"

I do not think this legislation accomplishes your goals.

The number of folks using the law in Oregon is small. Clearly there is much less demand than anticipated by the proponents.

Even for those 50 or so folks using the law, we have no way of knowing whether the law has made this choce easier or harder. As noted by Charlie Kee above, the actual prescription of these drugs is now legal/ Though the intent may be more subtle than some folks would like, as far as I know there has never been a legal challenge to the current practice.

The number using Oregon’s law may be smaller than anticipated for at least two reasons. First, the class served … people wishing to die sooner after being diagnosed with only six months to live and with enough peace of mind to be able satisfy the pyschological issue, may be very small. Second, since prescribing this cocktail is not illegal, the added requirements of I-1000 may put many off.

The bottom line is that the Oregon law seems to have had little effect. So, one can choose to argue against I-1000 as accomplishing nothing or for it because it seems to have done little harm.
In my opinion there can also be harm"

Here is the beginning of my post. And here is the rest of it.

To explain why I think there can be harm, let me tell my own story of a recent death.

My 92 yo Dad had been sick for several years. We knew that eventually he would die as a result of accelerated aging changes in his lungs attributed attributed to many years of tobacco smoking as a (much) younger man.

This time he went into the hospital and … as with your Dad .. there was the usual terminal issue of prolonging life vs. prolonging suffering. We … my Dad, the family, and the medical team worked together in a way that I will always treasure to find a golden mean. He worked out his wishes as to how much effort he was willing to make to keep alive and conferred legal authority to one of us in case he could no longer express those wishes. When the time came , quietly, knowingly and with great love he was helped through these last few minutes.

I understand that some would say that this story is about a wink and a nod. That is a terrible oversimplification of a process that I suspect is impossible to define by law.

I am afraid that legalization of something that is not now illegal would create its own troubles. As it happened we did have some dissent in the form of a rabbi, a friend of the family, and one non-immediate family member. If we had been in Oregon, I can easily imagine that there could have been insistence that a second physician and a psychologist be called. The Oregon law and I-1000 are very unclear about who these arbitrators might be but it is not hard to imagine the basis for legal mischief. In the worst of situations, it is not hard to imagine docs who turn such a thing into a “specialty.”

Because the designation of legal authority was very clear and frankly because of the skills fof the physicians in managing us all, there was, in the end, no problem.

So, based on my own recent experience and the talent of the crew at Boston University School of Medicine, I am grateful that we did not have to jump through extra hoops.

My final concern is based on another story.

The story is almost identical to my Dad’s story with one exception … my friend and his dad had less money than we did.

As his Dad approached death, he was approached by the social workers about ways of becoming impoverished. In his state, you can get terminal care in a hospice or hospital if and only iff you have the money or have so little money that you qualify for state funds. There are even specialized social workers and even nurses who make a living helping people plan for impoverishment. (my sister in law once had such a business)

Imagine the pain his friend’s dad went through as the “system” systematically drained his funds .. especially because those funds were important to support his surviong but quite ill wife, now his widow.

There is NOTHING I can do that overstate this Kafka-esque situation.

What would I-1000 have achieved in this case? My guess is that my friend’s dad would have sold a few days of his life to allow his wife to have some dollars to relieve her own end.

If you will permit me to be macabre, this story shows a “fatal flaw” in I 1000. There should never be a financial incentive to die. The moral stress placed on the patient in this story is too cruel to imagine.

The story also shows a second “fatal flaw” in I-1000. The law puts the decision to offer a suicide cocktail in the hands of the same individual responsible for the patient’s care. Under HMO rules, that individual’s pay likely will depend on the costs of care for his patients. As proud as I am of my colleagues, I fo not think anyone should be placed in that sort of conflict of interest.

So, wiht respect to a lot of good friends who will vote for I-1000, please think about the oath that we physicians take on graduating medical school:

primum non nocere first, do no harm.

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