Request for Armed HelpI intend to photograph the Beck gathering at SAFECO.
9/26/09
As a non violent demonstration., I would like to be accompanied by one or more liberals carrying (legally) holstered (unloaded)firearms. Realistic stage weapons or blank guns are also welcome buy I am informed that these will also require carry permits.
My object is to provoke discussion and photograph participants. I would carry myself but do not own a gun and I am told it may take several weeks to get a carry permit.
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This is how wars start, idiot.
Hey, Steve!
I'll look for you and your buddies at the demonstration. I hope you bring some cool stuff, even replicas are fun to look at and talk about.
I hope you don't think anyone will worried, 'cause I think you'll be disappointed. You're more likely to meet some gun enthusiasts that would be interested in what you bring and how it shoots.
Wouldn't it be easier to just show up with your own gun and have people take pictures of you?
LOL! Idiot liberal wants someone else to put THEIR CC permit on the line so that HE can make a point. A liberal Jew has to be one of the most self loathing creatures on earth.
I'll show you mine if you show me yours...;)
Hey numbnuts. Washington State is an open carry state. There is no such thing as a "carry permit" here. A CPL (Concealed Pistol License) is for CONCEALED carry. What kind of statement would you make with carrying a weapon that no one can see?
I suggest you educate yourself before you spout your mouth off. Start here.
RCW 9.41.050 (Carrying Firearms)
And, I wouldn't suggest open carrying in order to "provoke" something, even discussion. That is one sure way to land your sorry ass in jail.
This is what's to be expected from self important liberals who shoot from the hip before they know what they're talking about.
Oh....and before you start attacking some radio or tv host...might I suggest you actually listen to or watch them?
My money says you've never done either with Beck.
But, go ahead and keep parroting the party line. The ONE likes his little Obamatons that way.
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according to these folks Seattle requires a concealed weapons permit to carry a gun (or anything looking like a gun) openly. Does anyone know of this is NOT true?
as for setting off a war, we Jews have a saying for that sort of mentality ... "never again."
I certainly do not want to start a war. Nor am I opposed to the second amendment. But, w/o losing the rights to bear arms how does one deal with brown shorted fanattics willing to bring guns to public places to intimidate free speech?
Is there some option other than ridicule?
So you show up and take pictures, why do you need an armed escort? Are you worried about being mobbed? There will be police and other security present at the event, do you not trust them to protect you?
To rickomatic's point, CPL bearers are excluded from the restriction on carrying firearms into stadia and convention centers. See RCW 9.41.300 for details. I would agree with him on his caution against provoking confrontations with the irrational and deluded followers of Mr. Beck. I don't see any good coming of your effort.
Blood of Tyrants ...
My Dad liberated Buchenwald. I gre up in a Nazi neighborhood in the US where father Coughlin was a hero and nuns taught that I had killed their gods.
Why do i suspect I am more of a Jewish and American patriot than you are either one?
tell leo
I am not worried about my own security. I thought some fo;ks who believe in the responsible conduct of 2nd amendment rights might want to use this as an opportunity to make the point by demonstrating the idiocy of carrying a weapon to a political event.
I go many places as SJ, including last week some pretty bad places in Detroit. Some folks asked what I was doing but only one person was mildly threatening,
Few weeks before that I confronted some pretty weird religious nuts at Hempfest (see the blog post). I must admit to be ing more afraid of being hit by their Jesus sign tha hurt by anyone in derelict Detroit.
My thought is more to create some discussion, confrontation and use my camera to document that.
BTW, of this issue does interest you, I suggest looking at the much more extensive debate over at HA.
At this point in the discussion you may want to drop the idea of open carry altogether. Loaded or unloaded, carrying a weapon in public to create "confrontation" is called brandishing under Washington state law and that is exactly what you are proposing to do. Brandishing is a threat and can be responded to with lethal force by the Seattle Police and anyone else who feels "threatend". They will not know that you have weapons and no ammo. In law enforcement the rule is if it looks like a gun, it's a gun, even if it's a stick, and if you brandish it or make a motion toward it during any "confrontation" the error in judgement is yours not theirs. Case in point is the recent shoreline shooting by 3 deputies, and the recent self defense shooting of the young man that was camping. The statements you have made in this blog constitutes a threat and the intent to brandish. As such you are now on the loosing end of the law from the very start. The owners of SAFECO field are now in a position to have you tresspassed off the premises and arrested the moment you show up. The content of the blogs would be used against you in court and you would be convicted. Maybe if there hadn't been so many death threats against various people who will be at this event it would be less serious.
However for a Class "B" felony like Assault Second Degree, the firearm enhancement is three years. These enhancements apply even if the gun is unloaded and even if the person does not fire, or has no intention of firing, the gun!.
RCW 9.41.270 (1)
It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.
Wouldn't it be easier to simply photoshop a gun and the event.. Seriously.. there should be no limits placed on your freedom of speech and propaganda.. it's America right.. that's why you're here
Stephen...ArtFart here. Please read and consider the comment I posted to the corresponding thread on Horse's Ass.
If you want to make a point about Beck and his fellow buffoons, creating a contrived issue about firearms would at best be a distraction. Frankly, I don't have a lot of confidence about how the SPD would react to a situation they don't anticipate and wouldn't understand. Careful observation (and perhaps some use of cellphones as shown recently in Iraq) may be the most powerful weapon.
"Use of cellphones?". What exactly do you expect to see at this event? Is Beck going to have a hitler mustache, and whip people into Jew hating frenzies? You've got a guy who's never done anything other than speak his mind on a radio show and you are acting like he's the anti-Christ. As for taking guns, what would be the point? Just because someone showed up at a rally (a staged radio station event if I recall correctly) doesn't mean it would be productive to do the same at an opposition event. I'd think it more productive to listen to Beck and establish well reasoned arguments opposing him. Packing guns and cell phone sound bites would be more devisive than helpful. You are trying to be helpful, right?
Open carry is legal in Washington State, loaded. Seattle does not and cannot require a permit to carry to carry openly on foot. Loaded in a car requires a license.
http://forum.nwcdl.org/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;id=17
This will open up the Seattle Police training bulletin.
Please post some sort of contact info somehow so I know where to attend the outside of this 9/12 event.
Take a look in the post. There is a link there to the Foundation sponsoring the visit (and making bug $$$ from it), I think it as at the top of the post.
Take a look in the post. There is a link there to the Foundation sponsoring the visit (and making bug $$$ from it), I think it as at the top of the post.
ArtFart
Tx.
I think simply coming and waving boycott Beck is a fine thing to do but I worry thyat it just adds to his act.
I sse the gun issue as part and parcel of a bigger pro
blem, the efforts by ANYONE to prevent free speach by creating a cacophony. This is made even worse when Beck and his ilk have a platform to broadcast their lies.
We have been here before .. McCarthysim is not limited to the right either. BUT, the presence of a moderate media acted as a safety valve.
My rationbal for the guns is to mkake the exactpoint you and others are making ... hysteria dampens discussion.
It seems ti me that by calling attention to the effect ...w2hther is is Beck on Faux or the Birthersin churches, rather than by just protesting the protesters, we can have agreater effect.
This is just about the stupidest idea I have ever heard. Sir, this will accomplish nothing positive. Your intent is plain as day in that you intend to bully your way around this even with "armed" compatriots in the attempt to prevoke a response. If you do this I pray you will not be harmed but natural selection does have a way of weeding out the idiots so I wouldn't put money against it. Though I bet you'd be just as happy sparking violence as anything else.
You'd think a professor at a major university would be able to figure out how bad of an idea this is. There are much more rational and effective methods to begin a discourse. Glenn Beck uses his platform to spread information with a constant urging that violence is never a good answer and should be avoided at all costs. Meanwhile you are planning to show up at his event with guns (unloaded or otherwise)? As anyone who has any experience with weapons will tell you, you are always to treat a gun as though it was loaded and if you or any of your partners were to draw in any way any armed security or citizen who feel as though their lives may be threatened are fully within their rights to respond with lethal force.
Be sure to stick strictly to public property.
While the stadiums are owned by the city, and the city government cannot enact or enforce laws concerning firearms that are more restrictive than state law, the private company the city is leasing the stadiums to can make its own rules as if the property was privately owned. They can, therefore, deny you the right to keep and bear arms on property under their control, just as they can deny you the right to protest, deny you entry, or any other action you wish to take that they don't want to occur on their property.
They can't have you arrested for openly carrying, or for protesting, but they can ask you to leave. If you do not leave promptly, you are trespassing with a deadly weapon. Don't be That Guy.
Please enjoy your nonviolent protest while safely and legally exercising as many of your protected rights as you wish.
I also encourage you to not ask others to do what you won't do yourself. There are many fine establishments in the area that can help you purchase a high quality but inexpensive firearm, so long as you're not a felon, fugitive from justice, user of controlled substances, mental defective, etc...
First, I want to express thanks for all of you who have a sincere concern for my and others' safety.
The implications of your arguments are truly frightening. The Beckistas, contrary to one post by "anon," have done nothing to castigate any of these disruptive tactics.
If you are willing, I would ask a favor. If I do NOT manage to get guns to the affair, then I would very much like other ideas of how to do things that do not simply add fuel to Beck's attempt to destroy free speech?
What a curious collection of contradictions!
I was drawn to the page by your encouragement (by others) to brandish weapons at a public event. Naturally, since the last time I read of anyone making this sort of call was by a bunch of skin-heads in Michigan, I was interested in learning your motivations.
In the process of reading your posts and the comments of others, it is clear that you seek confrontation and you show indifference as to how physical (read: violent) that confrontation may become.
The conservative posters has offered advice and caution, but not a single one of them has made threats or in any way interfered with you imbecilic plan.
Your latest post references "Beck's attempt to destroy free speech" yet it is YOU that seeks to interfere with someone else's rights, not Beck through intimidation and implied threat.
What a foolish little man...
No firearms are allowed at Safeco field. CC or Open Carry.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/
I did not propose bringing firearms into the facility.
If you understand now that bringing firearms to a political venue is an effort to hunder the first amendment, perhaps I have made my point.
SM Schwatrz: If you understand now that bringing firearms to a political venue is an effort to hunder the first amendment, perhaps I have made my point.
You have failed to make that point.
You've made several things very clear, but they're not to your advantage.
~ Anonymous from 10:58 PM above
Sm Schwartz,
Many people that OC or CC are very conversant with the laws about carrying guns beacuse if they violate the laws they lose the right to carry.
Your post and comments show that one you do not normally carry or are familiar with the laws.
Apparently you just want to make a statement. I would suggest with your level of ignorance to making your statement with your first amendment rather than your second amendment. You have less chance of being arrested.
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